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Surrendering to Krsna and His pure devotee is NOT impersonal. ALL aspiring devotees MUST understand surrender does not mean extinguishing your individuality and unique personality.
In other words "Surrender" does NOT mean you become "mindless" by giving up your intelligence, free will, individuality, the unique ways of self expression, and the awareness of being an independent contributing PERSON, who you REALLY are eternally.
Srila Prabhupada -"Surrender BY your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence."(Letter to Bali Mardan 1974)
Srila Prabhupada - ''Love means you take and you give also. Suppose if you love somebody and you simply take from him, but you don't give. Oh, do you think it is very good? No. It is not good. That is NOT love. That is exploitation. If I go on simply taking from you, and if I don't offer you anything, that is simply exploitation. (Lecture on Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9 text 2-5, New York, November 23, 1966)
Srila Prabhupada - ''We have got the propensity to love. Love means somebody else. Love cannot be one or love cannot be executed by only one, there must be another one. I love somebody; somebody loves me, there must be lover, there must be beloved, and the transaction, then love''. (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 1 Chapter 2 text 6, Delhi, November 12, 1973)
Srila Prabhupada - ''The impersonalist philosophy is oneness but how there be love with just one? Is it possible? Have you got any such experience that love means one? No. Love means two. There MUST be two, the lover and the beloved. Kṛṣṇa is already lover. He loves you so much that He's trying to get you back. That is Kṛṣṇa's attempt. "Please, My dear boy, or My dear friend, My dear servant..." (Lecture on Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 2 Chapter 1 text 3, Paris, June 12, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada - ''Existence in the impersonal brahman is also within the category of non-Krsna consciousness. Those who are in the brahman effulgence are also in the fallen condition, so there is no question of falling down from a fallen condition. (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Srila Prabhupada - ''When fall takes place, it means falling down from the non-fallen condition. The non-fallen condition is Krsna consciousness'' (Letter to: Revatinandana, Los Angeles 13 June, 1970)
Devotee – “When we are in the spiritual sky and serving Krsna, we have a perfect relationship with Krsna, what causes us to fall down in the material world, because we’re already serving Krsna?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Because you desire to fall down. Here it is explained that “Don’t fall down.”
Devotee – “Srila Prabhupada, I can’t understand why we should have an impure desire when we are already serving…”
Srila Prabhupada – “Because you have got little freedom. Why one is not coming here and going to the liquor shop? It is his desire.
Devotee – “In the Srimad-Bhagavatam it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes. You forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father.
Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk and suffer. What can be done? So because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father, so God does not interfere with your independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy”. (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)
The Spiritual Worlds of Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are NOT a dictatorial domineering impersonal place where everyone is forced to do what Krsna wants.
No, the Kingdom of God is NOT impersonal like that because there are ALWAYS loving exchanges going on, based on cooperation, reciprocation and personal contributions going on between Krsna and His devotees eternally.
Surrendering to Krsna and His pure devotee is NOT impersonal, surrender does NOT mean giving up your "intelligence", "free will", "individuality" and the awareness of being the "independent unique" contributing person you REALLY are eternally.
That impersonal version of God's Kingdom is a fools paradise.
So is there a place in the Spiritual World from where the jiva-soul (marginal living entity) can never fall down from?
No, staying in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana is not based on being in a place from where you can never fall down from.
It does not work that way because staying or going is based on free will which means it is ‘’your choice’’ to voluntary stay in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana and keeping your relationship with Krsna.
Love is ALWAYS a "two-way" street.
If Krsna forced you to love Him, then how can that force be genuine love?
Loving relationships can only work in a "two-way" exchange based on reciprocation and loving selfless service with two involved sharing loving interchanges.
In this way, the Kingdom of God is NEVER a domineering "one-way" dictatorship run by Krsna.
Krsna is not like that at all.
The fact is, such a "one-way" impersonal master/servant dictatorship is a cold loveless relationship of convenience that only destroy one's real freedom of expression (free will) and sense of individual self of having one's own unique personality that can choose how to serve Krsna in their own unique way, or even reject Krsna if one chooses.
Such freedom both ways MUST be there if love is to truly exist.
Remaining in Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana eternally is based on the marginal living entities unique personality who can make their own choices based on their free will.
This means all jiva-souls can reject Krsna if they want. This also means being able to choose in Goloka Vrindavana or Vaikuntha how to voluntary offer and contribute the very best of their "unique" character.
Each individual jiva-soul has their own unique personal contributions they can choose to offer with love to the Lord while associating with Him as the perpetual individual eternal independent servant they are eternally.
No two jiva-souls are the same, each has their own unique individual personality and character when engaging in loving exchanges of service with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupāda - ''Unless there are two persons, where is the question of love? Love means two persons, then there is exchange. Giving something, taking something, feeding something and to eat something, and speaking everything, no secrecy, and to know everything of the other person. When these things are transacted, then there is love. I must deal with you open-hearted, you must deal with me open-hearted, then there is love. So if you want to love Kṛṣṇa, God, then these things must be there". (Evening Darsana, August 9, 1976, Tehran)
The jiva-soul NEVER loses their free will (freedom), in Goloka Vrindavana and Vaikuntha, which means their own individual ability of self expression, when choosing to offer their own personal contributions that are unique to each individual souls (jiva-tattva)
Each jiva-soul (marginal living entity) has this eternal marginal quality, which is part and parcel of there perpetual make up or constitution as being the marginal living entity or jiva-tattva-soul they are eternally.
In this way, each of the jiva-soul's have their own individual sense of self, character and personality separate from Krsna, and being a unique one of a kind in the Spiritual Sky different from all other jiva-souls.
Again it is important to understand this means that no two jiva-souls are the same.
This eternally existing spiritual social code, that includes free will and an independent personal sense of self, allows character and personality in each jiva-soul that exists eternally, without any beginning or ending point.
This quality of "free will" is part and parcel of every marginal living entities (jiva-souls) eternal constitution.
This allows the jiva-soul to personally always be aware that they are a unique individual independent PERSON while serving Krsna, being unique and different from all other living entities in the Spiritual Sky.
Free will means it is the jiva-soul's choice of how to they want surrender and serve Krsna also, or even NOT surrender to Krsna if they choose.
Although that is rare, the fact is more than 90% of jiva-souls NEVER choose to foolishly reject Krsna and fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana to the material creation.
Only less than 10% choose to reject Krsna and therefore enter the material creation Prabhupada tells us.
Those jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana who reject Visnu or Krsna obviously cannot stay there in the Spiritual Worlds.
The only place available for them is the temporary material creation of Maha Visnu meant for those who CHOOSE to leave the Spiritual Worlds.
It is the jiva-soul's choice of what THEY want do, the fact is over 90% always offer and contribute their very best voluntarily to Krsna out of selfless love.
But also each jiva-soul knows it pleases Krsna the most to humbly and selflessly serve the servants of the servants of Krsna in Goloka-Vrindavan or Vaikuntha.
This "selflessness" of serving the servant of the servant of Krsna is the highest realization of love of God.
The fact is, it is rare that the jiva-soul falls from Krsna's (God) personal Kingdoms of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
However, it is the jiva-soul's personal responsibility and choice to stay with Krsna, or leave Krsna if they choose (although very rare)
The jiva-souls can also choose in the Spiritual Worlds because free will allows them to choose, and nobody else, including Krsna, can interfere with that choice.
This is because Krsna NEVER forces us to love Him, there is ALWAYS choice.
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling, then there is love. Not by force! Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Srila Prabhupada - ''Because you are Son of God you have got independence, so God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently'', God says, “All right, you can go and enjoy”. (Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)
Srila Prabhupada explains in "Nectar of Devotion", that just like the Sun-disc cannot be separated from the Sun-rays, similarly Krsna can never be separated from His parts and parcels (the living entities)
Srila Prabhupada - "As the sun-disc and the sunshine cannot be separated, similarly Kṛṣṇa and His bodily rays, the brahmajyoti, cannot be separated". (Krsna Book, 89)
The relationship between Krsna and His jiva-tattva expansions (marginal living entities) is NEVER one-sided, never forced and never impersonal, it is ALWAYS a personal relationship of reciprocation, nurturing, voluntary service, in the mood of two way loving exchanges, ONLY then can there be REAL love in a relationship.
In this way, Srila Prabhupada explained to us many years ago-
“If you love me, then I will love you”
Here he is giving us the example that there must always be loving cooperation, exchanges and reciprocation, responding with each other with selfless kindness.
In other words, love can NEVER exist with just one, there MUST always be loving exchanges and cooperation between TWO or more.
As said above, more than 90% of the living entities (jiva-souls or marginal living entities) choose to never fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana because their choice is to stay with Visnu or Krsna.
That expression of freedom or "free Will" in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, is always eternally part and parcel of the marginal living entities natural constitution and has always existed.
The jiva-soul or marginal living entity, has 78.125% of Krsna's quantities and 50 of His 64 qualities. This means being a marginal living entity INCLUDES having free will.
This puts marginal living entities in the realm of having their own "sense of independent self, identity, personality, individuality, unique character and the ability to choose for themselves.
This means the jiva-souls have the freedom to agree or not agree with Krsna if they choose.
This quality of individuality and independence allows the jiva-soul the ability to choose Krsna or choose to be separate from Krsna and enter the material creation because of that choice to reject Krsna.
Remember Maya and the material energy do NOT exist in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana, so MAYA is unknown to the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) in both Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
However, having "free will" and an independent personality gives the jiva soul a unique sense of individual self.
This allows the jiva-soul to express themselves in their own unique way.
These qualities are eternally the constitutional makeup of all marginal living entities (jiva-souls) in Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
The jiva-souls (marginal living entities) have 78.125% of Krsna's qualities making them independent expansions of Krsna who have their own personality and free will that is separate from Krsna's dominance and absolute control however, there is a paradox here.
Even though the jiva-souls DO have their independence and freedom in the Spiritual Worlds in full, they are still always fully dependent on Krsna ALWAYS.
This is because Krsna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and cause of ALL causes, the jiva-souls are ALWAYS dependent on Krsna or Visnu in the Spiritual Worlds, and Maha-Visnu in the material Worlds.
Unlike the Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva expansions of Krsna who all have 60 of Krsna's 64 qualities (93.75%) and who are Krsna playing another role in His own pastimes.
Krsna has many different energies (sakti). The jiva-souls are one, Matter is one, the consort expansions of the Lord are one.
Srila Prabhupada - "Sakti or shakti means the "energy of Krsna."(Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 6 text 43, Purport)
The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are parts and parcels of Krsna and are also the sakti energy of Krsna, along with other categories of living entities known as Viṣṇu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva expansions of Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways:
1 - Viṣṇu-tattva,
2 - Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva,
3 - jīva-tattva,
like that". (Lecture on SB 6.2.7 -- Vrndavana, September 10, 1975)
If "free will" is taken away from the marginal living entities (jiva-souls), then they lose the ability to give and accept love and becomes no better than dead stone Prabhupada has told us, or no better than a mindless robot, slave or drone.
For loving exchanges to truly exist, the jiva-souls MUST have their free will or freedom which is part and parcel of their marginal constitutional make up, to choose how they want to serve Krsna with voluntary contributions (the real meaning of surrender) in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana at all times.
And sadly the fact is, a small minority do choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavan (less than 10% Prabhupada has explained), regardless of how some have claimed no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana once there, which is technically NOT true.
This is not true because the jiva-souls CAN leave the Spiritual World any time if they choose.
The way to understand this is those jiva-souls in Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana will never fall down, but ONLY if they choose NOT to fall down, it is their choice ALWAYS.
In other words a jiva-soul wants to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka-Vrindavana they certainly can leave.
To make the blanket nonsense comment that "not even the leaves fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana" does not take into consideration the "free will" of the jiva-souls.
But they should remember what Prabhupada said, that over 90% of jiva-souls NEVER enter the material creation in a fallen condition.
However, to leave and end up in the material creation is ultimately the jiva-soul's individual right and choice, and the fact is, Krsna does not interfere with that, even though Krsna has promised there is no return to the material creation, the fact is there IS return if the jiva-soul wants to return as Prabhupada explains here-
Acyutananda – “But in the Bhagavad Gita it says, “Once coming to the Spiritual World, he never returns. He can return?”
Srila Prabhupada – “If he likes he can return”.
Guru-kripa – “How is it that one can become envious of Krsna?”
Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence, you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God. God has got full independence, but you have got independence too, proportionately, because you are part and parcel, so if he likes, he can return. That independence has to be accepted. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha haïä bhoga väïchä kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown”. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
Returning home back to Godhead is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains as follows, that choice to stay or go is also the jiva souls choice too, it is not just a one way decision that Ksna makes, no, real loving exchanges can NEVER exist without free will.
For loving devotion to truly exist with the marginal living entity, the jiva-soul MUST have the right to choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana at anytime if they want, therefore returning there is not necessarily permanent Prabhupada explains here.
Srila Prabhupada – “You have got little independence therefore you can violate. Because you are part and parcel of God you have got independence, proportionately, therefore if he likes he can return. That independence has to be accepted, little independence. We CAN misuse that. (Conversation, Mayapur, February 19, 1976)
Syamasundara - "But can we predict returning back home back to Godhead will be permanent? Can we predict that? Just like many prisoners leave the prison, however some do come back?''
Srila Prabhupada - "No, there is no permanent effect because we have got little independence. There is nothing permanent because you can misuse your independence at any time".
Syamasundara - "And some come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes. Otherwise there is no meaning of independence. Independence means you can do this, you can do that. "All right. Whatever you like."
Devotee - "Then he is so many times falling down, again and again, so will he eventually permanently come back?"
Srila Prabhupada - "He has got independence, therefore there is always the possibility he can misuse his independence, he CAN fall down. That's why when a man is released from the prison house, that does not mean permanently because he can come back again, the general law is NOT to come back, but if he likes, he can come back, otherwise what is the meaning of independence? Just like one becomes free from the prison house, naturally he should not go there again". (Discussions with Syamasundara > Henri Bergson)
For those who believe no one can ever fall down from Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana have NOT understood these clear points explained by Prabhupada.
Many also do not understand the variety of living entities in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, and that it is only a very small minority of jiva-souls, who are endowed with free will, who can choose to leave.
The majority do not even know the material creation exists not care.
The fact is, there are many different other inhabitants of Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana too who are NOT jiva-soul (jiva-tattva) and never fall down by choice because they are more direct expansions of Krsna, such as the Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattvas who are Krsna Himself just playing another role in His own pastimes.
Therefore they NEVER fall down because they ARE Krsna and NOT jiva-tattva.
They are simultaneously His eternal associates and Krsna Himself experiencing Himself in unlimited different ways.
So for the Visnu-tattvas and Visnu-sakti-tattvas, they choose just like Krsna chooses because they ARE Krsna just playing a different role in His pastimes.
Just like the Pancha-tattva where only one out the the five is jiva-tattva, all the rest are different direct expansions of Krsna's Personality.
And for over 90% of the jiva-tattva-souls, who ALWAYS have the ability to choose as an independent person, they also NEVER fall down or leave either because they NEVER "choose" to do so but can if they want too, that free will is ALWAYS there.
Devotee - “Well, I believe you once said that once a conditioned soul becomes perfected and gets out of the material world and he goes to Krsnaloka, there’s no possibility of falling back”.
Srila Prabhupada - “No! There is possibility, but he does not come IF he is intelligent.
Just like putting your hand in the fire, you never put it again if you'reintelligent.
So those who are going back to Godhead, they must become intelligent. Why going back to Godhead? Just like we are in renounced order of life.
So we have renounced our family life after thinking something. Now, if somebody comes, “Swamiji, you take thousand millions of dollars and marry again and become a family man,” I’ll never become, because I have got my bad experience. I’ll never become." (Discussions with Syamasundara Dasa).
However, as said above, Prabhupada has explained there will ALWAYS be a very small minority of only the jiva-tattva souls, who have free will, fall down
Less than 10% (not the Visnu-sakti-tattva or Visnu-tattva "direct expansions"of Krsna) who CAN misuse their free will and "choose" to leave Krsna if they want.
"Free will" for the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) is eternal in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, and without this freedom to be able to choose to either forget or remember Krsna, then the jiva-souls would have no individuality, no independent personality, and no ability to love.
The jiva-souls would simply be mindless ''yes men and woman'' like machine drones in a factory, or like a dead lifeless stone Prabhupada has tells us here.
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will. But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
Srila Prabhupada - ''As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is very nice," "Yes," Kṛṣṇa says, "yes, you can go." Otherwise what is the meaning of free will? Every living entity has got a little free will. And Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He gives him opportunity, "All right, you enjoy like this." It is free will''. (Morning Walk At Cheviot Hills Golf Course, May 13, 1973, Los Angeles)
Srila Prabhupada - “So everyone can know that independence means one can use it properly or one can misuse it. That is independence. If you make it one way only, that you cannot fall down, that is not independence, that is force. Therefore Krsna says, yathecchasi tathä kuru. “Now you do whatever you like.” (Los Angeles, June 23, 1975)
In Bhagavad Gita As It Is, Krsna promises the jiva-souls they will NEVER fall down from Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana to the material creation, and yes, Krsna will always keeps His promise!
However, Krsna's promise of NEVER falling down to the material creation once there, is from Krsna's point of view, so does the jiva-soul also have to accept His promise as final? What about their free will?
In other words, does this mean the jiva-souls have no choice and can NEVER "choose" to leave Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana even if they want to leave?
Krsna's promise, confirmed in sastra that once reaching Vaikuntha the jiva-soul will never again fall down to the material World, is true for most souls, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM because some "choose" to reject Krsna's promise.
Those great souls who quote Krsna's promise from Bhagavad-Gita As It Is ARE right for the majority of jiva-souls, which is over 90% in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana who "choose" to NEVER fall down or leave Vaikuntha to enter the mundane material creation.
This is because the marginal living entities (jiva-souls) have free will.
This means they have independent thinking and have a choose to stay or leave Vaikuntha and Goloka-Vrindavana.
In other words, Krsna's promise is NOT binding or absolute law with the marginal living entities because the jiva-souls have the free will to make THEIR own choice.
Srila Prabhupada explains Krsna's promise and gives the proper explanation in full saying a small minority of jiva-souls do choose to leave Vaikuntha or Goloka Vrindavana and puts that figure at less than 10%.
So why do some jiva-souls fall down?
The only living entities who can fall down are the "marginal living entities" (jiva-souls) because being marginal MEANS free will.
Other living entities in the category of Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva, of whom there are many, NEVER fall down because they are all direct expansions of Krsna.
For the jiva-souls, loving exchanges are NOT possible on a "one-way street" or dictatorship because love is based on reciprocation and exhanges between two, not just one.
This means that not some so called God does all your thinking for you, if it did then individuality and free will would not exist at all making one no better than dead stone!
Therefore we must NOT forget that the jiva-soul's ALWAYS have the right of self expression in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, meaning the jiva-souls ALSO have THEIR contributions to offer too.
This means the jiva-souls can choose too expressed themselves from THEIR point of view rather than be dictated too by some God.
This is why love can never be experienced with just "one" because real love only works in voluntary exchanges of feelings between two.
In other words genuine loving exchanges or service is ALWAYS a "two-way" street and can NEVER exist in a dictatorship or in slaverly dominating conditions.
Only impersonalists preach we are all one collective consciousness, and that "surrender" means giving up free will, individuality and that everyone should become a "little Krsna imitaters".
It is a fact Krsna can do anything He wants to do however, if Kṛṣṇa forced His will and complete dominance and control on the jiva-souls, then they would be no better than dead stone Prabhupada tells us.
Such "one-way" control by this kind of God will totally destroy the jiva-soul's independent ability to express themselves as individuals, denying them of their natural free will (freedom).
Therefore if Krsna DID force the jiva-souls to love Him, then how can that be real genuine love as Prabhupada explains above.
By promising He will NEVER let the jiva-soul fall by forcing the jiva-soul to comply, can be seen as interfering with the free will and individuality of the jiva-soul.
This is because, they too are entitled to THEIR choice of serving or even not serving Krsna if they choose.
The fact is Krsna will NEVER make that decision for the jiva-soul, otherwise one's sense of free will is violated, and there can be no question of love if the jiva-soul has no right to choose for themselves.
Devotee - "Srila Prabhupada why did Krsna give us free will if He knew we would miss use it?"
Srila Prabhupada - "If you have no free will, then you are a stone. The stone has no free will. You want to be stone? Then you must have free will! But don't misuse your free will. But don't try to become stone either. That is not life". (August 5, 1976, New Mayapur France)
"Free will" or freedom is something never acquired, nor ever given up or surrendered in the Spiritual World as ignorant fools believe.
Free will is eternally part and parcel of the jiva-souls (marginal living entities) natural constitution and therefore ALWAYS exists without beginning or end FULLY in the Spiritual Planets.
However, free will in its full potential, is ONLY fully experienced in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavan, which is the jiva-souls original perpetual home.
Ultimately in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana, it is also the jiva-souls choice of how to serve Krsna.
Surrendering to Krsna does not mean giving up your free will as previously explained.
This is because He ONLY wants loving servants who "choose" to be with Him through their own free will and personal offerings of service, to serve and love Him voluntarily and NEVER forced to serve Him by saying "once you are in Goloka Vrindavana, NEVER again will you leave or fall down".
No, that is NOT Krsns's complete call because it is NOT only His choice, a loving relationship can only exist when there are two consenting personalities, it is also the jiva-soul's choice to REMAIN there as servant of the servant as weĺl, or even leave if they want too.
The jiva-soul's independent nature actually allows them to make their own choices, including leaving the Spiritual World if they choose.
The relationship between servant and Master is NEVER one-way, never impersonal, it is a perpetual relationship based on "reciprocation", based on loving exchanges between TWO.
The promise by Krsna that the jiva-soul will never again fall down into the material world, is from His point of view as explained above.
Ultimately it is NOT only Krsna's will and complete control, no, it is a joint decision between the jiva-souls and Krsna.
The Spiritual Worlds are NOT dictatorships where one is a yes man or women denying their personal contributions and offerings.
Sadly many cannot understand these facts regardless of who they are who how great a soul they claim to be or others claim they are.
The fact is each jiva-soul is an independent unique individual who has free will with 78.125% of Krsns's qualities with their own personality, sense of self and unique identity separate from Krsna's Personality.
Devotee – "In Srimad Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?” Why doesn’t He save me from thinking like that?”
Srila Prabhupada - “That means you lose your independence. That is force, in Bengali it is said, ‘If you catch one girl or boy, ‘You love me, you love me, you love me.’ ” Is it love? “You love me, otherwise I will kill you!’ Is that love?
So Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, on the point of revolver. ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!’ That is not love; that is threatening.
Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force; that is rape. Why one is called lover, another is called rape?” (July 8, 1976 in Washington, D.C).
The jiva-souls in Vaikuntha and Goloka Vrindavana are forever expanding their expression of individuality with personal voluntary offerings based on free will and selfless loving reciprocation with Krsna.
Srila Prabhupada - "Love is reciprocal, voluntary, good exchange of feeling. Then there is love. Not by force, no, Krsna does not want to become a lover like that, ‘You love me, otherwise I shall kill you!" (Washington DC July 8, 1976)
Real love or Bhakti is reciprocal, as said above, it is NEVER a one way street where surrender to Krsna takes away one's sense of self, individuality and personal contributions.
This is important to understand because each individual jiva-soul has their own independent personality, sense of self and unique personality and characteristics that THEY only have, that is part and parcel of each individual marginal living entities make up as the independent unique "person" they are eternally.
Srila Prabhupada - “Because you are Son of God you have got independence, full independence, therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. "So God does not interfere with your independence”. (Conversation Melbourne, Australia June 25, 1974)
Krsna has many different energies. Jiva is one, Matter is one, the consorts of the Lord are one.
Srila Prabhupada - "Sakti or shakti means the "energy of Krsna."(Srimad Bhagavatam Canto 4 Chapter 6 text 43, Purport)
The marginal living entities (jiva-souls) are sakti-tattva living entities. (sakti means the many energies of Krsna living and none-living) who are living parts and parcels of Krsna but also includes innate material "energy" or dead matter.
Srila Prabhupada - "Tattva is manifested in different ways:
1 - Viṣṇu-tattva,
2 - Viṣṇu-śakti-tattva,
3 - jīva-tattva,
like that". (Lecture on SB 6.2.7 -- Vrndavana, September 10, 1975)
Krsna who is compared to the Sun-disc and His variety of living entities above are compared to the sun-rays, only Krsna's Visnu-tattva and Visnu-sakti-tattva living entities are direct expansions of Krsna that are almost equal to Krsna.
The Sun-disc and the sun-rays CANNOT exist separately from each other, similarly, those living entities in the marginal category (jiva-souls), even though they have their independence, cannot exist separately from Krsna.
The Sun-disc and the sun-rays CANNOT exist separately from each other, similarly the variety of the living entities (Krsna's parts and parcels) cannot exist separately from Krsna.
Each "jiva-soul" (marginal living entity) is a one of a kind independent individual with their own unique personality different from all other personalities, including Krsnas.
No two individual jiva-souls are the same, and no jiva-souls can EVER become God (Krsna or Visnu).
Devotee – “Is the original body of the spirit soul a human form?”
Srila Prabhupada – “Yes, human form. God is also human form. "Man is made after the shape of God." I think there is in the Bible. Is it not? So God is also like human form. Here you see Krsna, two hands, two legs”.
Hari-sauri – “How do we understand, then, that there are peacocks and flowers and trees in the spiritual world? Are these not eternal forms?”
Srila Prabhupada – “[describing material form first]: Yes. They are more covered. Just like if you cover your body with blanket, the hands and legs are invisible. But you are not the blanket. So the trees and plants, they are more covered. They are not in full manifestation. The human form is the full manifestation of the soul”.
Hari-sauri - “They are covered in the spiritual world?”
Srila Prabhupada - “Not in the spiritual world. There that is voluntary. Some devotees want to serve Krsna as flower; so they become flower there. If I want that, to be a flower I shall lie down at the lotus feet of Krsna, then he becomes flower, voluntarily, and he can change his, from flower to human body. That is spiritual life. There is no restriction. If some devotee wants to serve Krsna as cow, he serves Krsna as cow, as calf, as flower, as plant, as water, as ground, field, or as father, as mother, as friend, as beloved, anything. It is inconceivable, yet a fact". (Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.1-4 - Melbourne,May 20, 1975)+*+*.
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